The problem with Tate's approach is you come across looking like an absolute zealot just looking for a war.
I used to watch a lot of Tate videos ironically for years and it's super obvious he's just an insecure grifter. Having to always be in control and acting dominant doesn't make you look "alpha" it makes you look weak and dickless.
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I find the comparison offensive to JPapa's intelligence. The similarity is only apparent in giving milquetoast and ubiquitous advice gussied up as profound knowledge.
If Peterson would be Catholic/Orthodox Christian Church, Tate would be Westboro Baptist Church. I'm not talking here about actual values or power of influence, but rather levels of radicalization and potential harm based on prescriptions, behaviours and aggressive militancy.
Just general self help stuff. Being a man is about standing tall, taking responsibility, finding purpose in life, growing up/not living like a child, etc.
I think pretty much all of the legitimately problematic things JBP put forth were on the explicitly political side of his rhetoric. All of the self help stuff, as well as his psychological work/commentary was quite good overall.
Jordan Peterson has a larger vocabulary than Tate, they’re saying the same things
I think Patrice (and also Andrew Tate) are more interested in how to live like a pimp, whereas JP is very focused on traditional monogamous marriage and would actually scorn the pimp lifestyle. Not a literal pimp, but if you can be sat there with 2 women in each of your arms that's a great thing. JP would say it's probably good if you have the possibility to do that but you should make the sacrifice to choose one only.
A million times moreso than the bluepilled, feminine advice floating around in the mainstream today.
"women are born with responsibility, men have to find it, take responsibility of your life, carry something anything." and that's to say that men don't feel the innate sense of responsibility as they are born with and I completely agree with that,
tate on the other hand, is a sociopath. no. 100% a sociopath. "I have fame, I have money, I'm good looking I'm always right, everyone loves me. I took a photo of the pilot who was flying my plane and it was a woman, why is a woman flying my plane when most women can't park their car?"
I watched this humble man cry in front of his daughter about their past struggles, and he clearly can show empathy and become very vulnerable- peterson is not that bad, and he certainly isn't telling you to go fuck yourself if you don't believe what he believes.
people rebrand and try to sell off of his work by puting SIGMA MESSAGE, but I don't watch those. they are out of context, and function for a dopamine hit.
Jordan peterson humanized women as people with flaws, wants and needs, and encourages men to create meaning in their lives by being valuable and empathetic to the people around you. Andrew tate dehumanizes women as grotesque creatures who are trying to drain you dry and encourages men to give up on meaning and embrace a rapey hedonistic life style . Basically jordan Is trying to help lonely men better themselves and take responsibility and tate wants to take advantage of lonely men's rage and blame women .
Jordan Peterson actually cares about people, obviously. AT doesn't care about anything other than himself. AT has the ego level of a comic book villain; his moral bankruptcy is pathological.
They both want men to be men and for masculinity not to be hidden for sure, but with JP it’s almost like ‘Be a man, don’t be ashamed of being a man just don’t objectify women while you’re doing it’ and with Tate it’s more ‘Fuck you, I’m a man, it’s my right as a man to objectify women and if you don’t feel that way then you’re not an alpha male’.
Tate is for boys Peterson is for men
wait have you listened to them talk? tate is an absolute scumbag. he advocates violence toward women and says they are second class citizens. peterson cares about people, even if you disagree with him politically how can you listen to him talk and say it's not well intentioned? don't understand how he has such a bad rap. us guys in this world need advice from peterson, not tate. for our sake, and for womens sakes. tate is toxic and consumed by anger and insecurity. i will concede peterson can be a bit old school at times, but when it comes to being a good person and strong man, they couldnt be more opposite. unless anyone knows why they are mentioned in the same breath?? hinestly id like to know if there's a reason because it would change my opinion of peterson if he supports tate in any way